Who really loses? 

This is a post responding to more questions about why Hilary Clinton lost the election. There are plenty of theories and fingers pointing, but IMHO, it all comes down to the Democratic Party themselves. 

Here is a excerpt from a very long thread:

Terry O’Sullivan:   NO EVIDENCE [of Russian hacking causing HRC’s defeat]Denise. Circumstantial, and inconclusive at best that they hacked/leaked those emails, and the intelligence agencies THEMSELVES reluctantly agree. So what evidence do you have, other than corporate media blather from people like Rachel Maddow to “prove” your point. The Democratic party did far more to underhandedly influence that election than anyone, including any hypothetical Russians. You’re being led astray and propagandized by the MSM fake news, my friend.
Terry, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I still maintain that this was a primary election that was decided in 2008, when Barack Obama shocked the shit out of everyone by being more popular than the Dems ever imagined. I’m pretty sure that primary race was set up for Hilary, but Obama’s popularity made the Dem establishment have to rethink their strategy. When it got really contentious, they had to make a decision about who to support. I think they realized that having a black President was at least, or more, important than having a woman, and negotiated a deal with Hilary to bow out, support Obama, and they would make her the one and only Democratic candidate in the next election, as well as Secretary of State. I think they were upended again when Obama was still so popular in 2012–they had been fairly sure he would not be viable as a candidate for a second term–so they pushed Hilary back another 4 years. And then another unthinkable happened—a SOCIALIST Democrat got more popular than anyone expected, but this time, they would not be denied. They did everything they could to discredit Bernie Sanders, which was not only shameful but stupid besides. And then the emails were released, revealing just how low the Dems were willing to go, and those who had written Bernie off as some cranky old socialistic fringe scrambled to find an explanation. Were those emails responsible for her loss? Probably. Was it because of the Russians who were responsible for their release? Who knows? But it wasn’t their release that cost her the election, it was the CONTENT of the emails that killed her run. For those of us who were already convinced that the Democratic hierarchy was trying to be as corrupt as the Republicans, it made the case for not voting at all or voting 3D party. For those undecided or uneducated, it was the perfect excuse not to vote for her, or to confirm for themselves what a lousy human being she is.  

As for Dumpy’s involvement, who knows? We will find that out, I’m pretty certain. But that kind of thing is really a slight-of-hand to draw our attention away from the very real, very dangerous (and also stupid) crimes that the Trump family has been engaged in for 20+ years with the Russians. That will have far more damaging and humiliating (for the country, not so much for them!) consequences than inviting the Russians to hack Hilary’s emails. Do we think they did that? My response is really–of course they did! Putin is former KGB, and has no problem murdering those who would expose him–what’s a “little” thing like cyber warfare to him? But the real naive thinking is that we aren’t doing–or attempting to do–the very same shit. Our country, and our military especially, has been guilty of overturning (or trying to) democratically held elections in countries all over the world–Iran, Iraq, El Salvador, Argentina, Haiti, just to name a few. Russian interference in OUR election is shocking just for the balls it takes to try to take on a government or country this size. Probably why Dumpy likes Putin so much–it’s like they are planning some sort of corporate merger or corporate takeover, something Dumpy would like to brag that he’s good at. It’s appalling to imagine that this asshat got to be President because of corporate (and selfish) greed all around– and that what it will all boil down to is a crappy mob-inspired money laundering scheme, upon which Dumpy has relied for nearly his entire fortune. As Americans, we’ve become so inured to this kind of shitty corporate behavior that people are rooting for a scab like Dumpy to beat the “guv’ment corporation” because they see HIM as the underdog! Can we get any more screwed up? Sadly, we’re about to find out… 

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